I heard a rumour that there was a huge Daring Bakers’ party happening on March 30th so I arrived early in the hopes of not missing it.
You haven’t witnessed a true party until you’ve attended a Daring Bakers’ fête.
This month’s party was hosted by Morven of Food Art and Random Thoughts who chose Dorie Greenspan’s Perfect Party Cake from the book Baking: From My Home to Yours.
For a change, I actually got to the challenge early in the month as I decided to bake it for my coworkers as a way of celebrating the arrival of spring and the end of several months hard work on a huge project.
About a week before trying the recipe, I quickly scanned it and thought, “Eh, no problem!”
When I first made the cake, I used cake and pastry flour and buttermilk. The recipe gives the option of using whole milk instead of buttermilk. I put my batter together quite quickly and sent my little cakes off to the oven to do their thing. When I pulled them out, however, the cakes had not risen at all.
Okay.
I figured I must have somehow made a mistake while putting the recipe together so since I had extra ingredients on hand, I decided to try again. Once again I sent the cakes off to the oven only to pull them out a short time later in utter dismay as I looked down at two cakes that had not risen. They were as flat as pancakes.
Okaaaaaaaaaaay.
I’ve been baking for a very long time and I can’t remember when the last time was that I’d baked cakes that didn’t rise. I knew it couldn’t be my ingredients because I bake so often that I turn over my ingredients very quickly. I made the decision to try the cakes a third (and final) time but this time I used slightly different ingredients.
As luck would have it, in between my second and third try, Lis and I received an e-mail from Brilynn of Jumbo Empanadas who explained that Dorie Greenspan herself and gotten in touch with Brilynn about this very recipe. Apparently others were having problems with cakes that wouldn’t rise so they e-mailed Dorie to ask her what the problem could be. Dorie indicated that the problem is likely the flour.
This particular cake was tested with a brand of flour called Swans Down, which is apparently an exceptionally fine cake flour. Whenever I bake recipes that require cake flour, I always use what’s referred to as cake and pastry flour and I’ve never had any problems. But these cakes just wouldn’t rise for me.
In her e-mail to Brilynn, Dorie explained that people could make the cakes with all-purpose flour as long as they used the right amount. When substituting all-purpose for cake flour, you have to remove two teaspoons of flour per cup.
I decided to go out on a limb and make the cakes with all-purpose flour and whole milk. The other adjustment I made was that once my batter came together, I switched from the paddle attachment to the whisk attachment and beat my batter at high speed for a good four minutes in an effort to work some air into the batter and increase the volume.
With fingers and toes crossed, I put the cakes into the oven and hoped for the best. When I pulled the cakes out later, while they had risen a bit, they did not rise nearly as much as the recipe indicated they would.
Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay.
At this point I was in no mood to try them again and it was too late to try and source some Swans Down in an effort to recreate the results from the cookbook. Instead, I put my baking experience to good use and perservered with what I had.
While slicing the thin cakes in half was a bit tricky, I managed well enough. I slathered my layers with raspberry preserves and buttercream (the buttercream part of the recipe came together well and was delicious but it didn’t yield very much – I had just enough buttercream to fill and frost my cake). I had entertained ideas of trying variations but the frustration of baking the cakes three times sapped me of any desire to try something different.
I decided to decorate my iced cake with shredded coconut, white chocolate shavings and raspberries. It looked pretty good but I still couldn’t help but feel disappointed.
That mood didn’t last long, however, as my coworkers demolished the cake in record time. While the cake layers may not have risen much, that did not affect the final result. The cake was incredibly delicious. It had a light lemony flavour that combined beautifully with the raspberry.
Everyone knows I love Dorie. I had the opportunity to meet with her last summer and she struck me as a truly gifted and generous person. I’ve never had any problems with her recipes but I must be honest, this one stumped me a bit.
I’m going to definitely try the cake again as the end result was too good not to. But here’s hoping I have better success with those cake layers!
Thank you to Morven for choosing a cake that was truly, truly challenging!
Ciao!
For the recipe for this cake, please visit Morven’s blog.
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111 comments
KJ
It’s odd that there has been such a great variation in the results for this cake. My cakes rose, but not by a great amount either. Strange. Still, so long as it tastes great.
Heather Peskin
I also was disappointed that the cake did not rise that much and ended up producing a 2-layer instead of a 4-layer cake. What’s more, I used Swansdown cake flour which I bought fresh the day before baking the cake. I hope mine tastes good – won’t know till Monday when I take it to the Office.
barbara
How wonderful Ivonne. I can’t believe you made it three times.
linda
Beautiful! Like the addition of white chocolate.
Wow, you actually made the cakes 3 times!!
Mine did rise but went down again during cooling. They were pretty dense but ok.
Nazca
Looks like a nice cake. Your decoration/topping is what makes it though.
Dharm
Ivonne, Wonderful as usual! How high are the cakes really supposed to rise?? Mine rose a little but not as much as I would have expected from a sponge. However, it was still one of the best tasting and textured sponges I’ve ever eaten or baked! So maybe, this is really how high it should rise? After all, if it rose more, you’d have one Super high cake wouldn’t you??!!
Pixie
Challenge indeed. I’m impressed that you persevered and were able, in the end, to create a beautiful cake. I, on the other hand, gave up, after two attempts.
MyKitchenInHalfCups
Flour . . . seems it can be a fickle monster all right!
Still Ivonne this looks like a beautiful cake and rises to good heights. Love the white chocolate and raspberry, really smashing with the white buttercream.
What would have happened with an 8 inch pan? I thought about trying that.
But it’s looking like another great DB Party!!
Meeta
Oh Ivonne even though you experienced a bit of trouble I find your cake looks awesome. Love the white chocolate shavings on top!
Ann
THREE attempts?! Now that’s DB dedication! My layers didn’t rise much either, so I just added another one. I love the white chocolate addition… and you cake looks gorgeous!
Gretchen Noelle
Great ambition for baking these layers three times! It looks beautiful but I am sure it was frustrating not to have light fluffy layers as you had intended. Glad everyone devoured it and enjoyed it. Hope you win the next round!
Anne
The cake is so stunning! Making the cake 3 times paid off…it looks PERFECT!
Kim
Persistence paid off as it looked just divne. I really liked the coconut and chocolate additions to the recipe. April is going to be my first month with the Daring Bakers, can’t wait.
Sheltie Girl
I’m so glad you were finally able to get this cake to cooperate with you. The final result in stunning!
Natalie @ Gluten A Go Go
fanny
wow! what an adventure!
your cake looks effortlessly beautiful xxx
Judy
Your cake looks beautiful. I think that the lack of rising has helped the overall appearances of all of the cakes!
Maryann
Beautiful, Ivonne! And the fresh raspberries make it look so pretty
Ginny
I love this cake! I’ve made it before but I guess luck had it because I used Swans Down cake flour…thanks for the insight! Its good to know next time!
Ben
My cakes didn’t rise much either, just enough to work with them, but they were still tasty. Your cake looks amazing. You and Lis rock! And now Morven and Dorie are my new heroines
Cheers!
Cheri
Your cake looks amazing with the fresh raspberries and white chocolate! I even used Swans Down and they did not rise as much so I guess we are all stumped. Beautiful pictures. I think I will add the white chocolate next time.
Professor
This is a beautiful cake and after all the work you put into it (3 times!?! wow!) it’s great that your co-workers enjoyed it! It’s just gorgeous- almost too good to eat… almost!
Dianne
I used all purpose flour for my second go around. The first time I used cake flour and buttermilk. The first go around the cakes were so tender they fell apart, but they did rise. The second go around with the all- purpose flour and whole milk rose too much! Oh well, they tasted ok in the end.
Kristen
Beautiful cake! I love the white chocolate curls on top. My cakes didn’t rise as much as I had hoped either but as you said, they were delicious.
Bellini Valli
I’m sure that your co-workers enjoyed the cake immensely. I had great plans for my cake………but life gets in the way:D
Jasmine
I love your cake! The white chocolate decoration is such a great idea. I guess I was lucky because everything went fine for me with the cake (it is my first Daring Baker challenge).
Lucy V
Your cake does look beautiful even if it didn’t rise. I agree that her flavor combinations were very nice, my guests also loved them. I love the decor you applied to the top of the cake. Beautiful.
RecipeGirl
I guess I’m lucky- for a first timer… I didn’t have any problems with the cake rising. I’m pretty sure my cake flour is the Swan’s kind though. Your cake looks pretty. I entertained the idea of putting white choc. on top too.
Kelly-Jane
You still have a mighty high cake there, it looks lovely! Next time I’m adding some fresh berries for serving.
a. grace
where’s the party? in the mouths of the lucky souls who got to eat that cake! magnificent!
breadchick
WHEW!!! I feel so much better now. I was feeling like a failed Daring Baker because even WITH the Swans Down cake flour I couldn’t get this cake to rise right. But if you did it three times and still couldn’t get it to rise then I suspect there is something in the recipe that is alluding us all. Besides, with a cake that looks a gorgeous as yours how could it be wrong??!!
Marie
My cakes did not rise as much as I hoped that they would either. It could be that there is an exorbitant amount of baking powder in the recipe and also that with buttermilk, a person really should use some baking soda. At least that’s what I learned in culinary school. I was sorely tempted to add half a teaspon and cut down the baking powder by 1 tsp, but didn’t. Nevermind, it was a delicious cake anyways. Yours looks absolutely stunning!
Texana
Mercy! White chocolate and fresh raspberries!?! How gorgeous, and how delicious! WOW!!!
courtney
Alpinberry had this same problem. But the cake, while not a big riser, has a great dense texture. I loved it for layering and assmbling. Very sturdy and very good. And see your co workers loved it!
Suzana
How totally fabulous! Definitely baking it 3 times may have been a bit frustrating but it looks awesome, Ivonne. Mine didn’t rise much either but I could layer the cakes without a problem. And I used regular cake flour… indeed strange.
Gabi
My layers weren’t very high either. I ended up with about a four inch cake with four thin layers. I think it’s just the recipe. The picture in the book has very thin layers as well. Your cake is Bee-utiful though!
xoxo
Laura Rebecca
Dear god, Ivonne — that looks scrumptious! Though I know what you mean about the process; the height on my layers weren’t ideal, and I found the cake itself a bit dry.
Party-Ready Tartelette
Fabulously gorgeous! I think people were under the impression that the cake layers had to be on the thick side which stopped a lot from cutting them in half. Regarding the cake flour, one needs to remove 2Tbs to the cup of all purpose. I bow to you for making it 3 times but your coworkers sure know a good thing when they see one!
Tess
Beautiful looking cake! I was really looking forward to trying this myself, but the recipe doesn’t actually appear to be on Morven’s blog. Any chance of that being rectified or you posting it here?
Amy J.
By the looks of it, I’d have thought you whipped out this gorgeous cake with no problems at all. You are the woman, Ivonne!
Namratha
This looks very pretty!Well done!
jasmine
I too had troubles with the rise and tried to figure out what on earth went wrong. Unfortunately, Dorie’s advice came too late for me, but I worked around things, playing with the chemistry of assembly, which worked well.
j
kellypea
Very interested to read your about your efforts, Ivonne. I’ve always had Swan’s Down in my cupboard and know that sometimes, products are regional. I never assumed that it wasn’t something everyone had. Regardless, I’m also curious after reading many people who experienced this (and seeing Dorie’s comments on the DB blog…) what the average expectation is for a cake to rise. What’s “normal?” I’m really wondering now, because I was satisfied with mine, but I wouldn’t say it was spectacularly high. Like I said. Interesting. Your cake is beautiful, by the way, and I’m amazed that you made it three times. Wow.
sunita
Ivonne, kudos to you for trying again and again…the result looks fantastic
sher
I always tell myself–”Ivonne’s (whatever you’re making that day) will hit it out of the park. Well, that is a home run! SO pretty and special!
mimi
mine also didn’t rise, and i had the idea of trying again, but instead i said screw it let’s try cutting it anyway! and it worked, if not exactly beautiful. but your cake looks so wonderful with the fresh berries!
Faery
Beautiful cake
Amy
I love the white chocolate shavings you used for your garnish. Beautiful! Glad to hear the third time was the charm.
Susan at StickyGooeyCreamyChewy
From the looks of that cake, I’d have never known you had trouble with it. It looks beautiful!
I guess I’m lucky. The only kind of cake flour that my market carries is Swan’s Down, so that’s what I used. I also doubled the recipe to get higher layers.
Claire
I had variation in rising between my two cakes. One was good the other no so much. Oh well…as you saw, most people aren’t worried about that! Beautiful cakes.
bea at La tartine gourmande
It is nice to see you back in full mode!
Scrumptious!
cookworm
Your cake looks just beautiful! You are one dedicated DB to make it 3 times!
Sathya
3 times! Wow you were persistent! I had the same issue. No matter what I did. The end result was wonderful tho. Your cake looks gorgeous, as always.
Lori
wow that looks fabulous. i love the combination you used!
Marie
Ivonne, I would have a party with your cake any day!!
Megan
What a beautiful cake.
Amber
Even though your cakes did not rise as much as you would have liked them to, I think that your final product is absolutely beautiful!!
Lesley
You have some lucky duck co-workers, that’s all I can say! I think your layers look like they rose ok! Your decorating job is really great.
Janet from prettytastycakes
Your cake is beautiful. I love the white chocolate shavings!
gizmar
Although the journey sounds like it was long – the end result is absolutely beautiful. My best cake should only turn out like your worst mess….sigh.
Liliana
What an elegant looking cake! My cakes didn’t rise as much as I thought they would either and I used Swan Downs flour.
They sure had a celebration at your office! Wonderful job Ivonne.
Jessica
Wow, thank you for posting this! I was actually JUST going to make it this coming week for a friend. This is really good to know- I think I will just try your method of using all purpose flour and sifting it.
joey
I thought I was the only one with the cakes that refused to rise! Mine were really flat though…yours still look lovely Ivonne…and hat’s off to you for baking it three times!
The end product is gorgeous though…and as long as it tasted good…
Miss Ifi
Well.. it sounds like it was a challenge for you next month.. I applaud you though.. I wouldn’t have tried it so many times. I am glad that in the end it all turned out well and your co workers were able to enjoy the cake!! Your cake looks lovely by the way! Congratulations!!
alpineberry mary
Gotta love the coworkers who will eat whatever we bring to the office.
I found it interesting that a lot of DBs had issues with cakes that wouldn’t rise. But I admire your dedication. I don’t know if I would have tried more than twice.
Elle
Glad to find that I was not alone in having a cake that had pretty thin layers (a challenge to slice in two thiner horizontal layers), plus just barely enough buttercream. Yours looks so gorgeous with the chite chocolate curls and fresh raspberries. Glad the third time was the charm and VERY glad that you and Lis started the wonderful Daring Bakers!
Rosa
A perfect cake! I love the white chocolate decoration! Very pretty!
Cheers,
Rosa
Andreia Sousa
Your cake looks great! And I appreciate good photos. Congrats.
Jerzee Tomato
This recipe is originally from Nick Malgieri (Perfect Cakes) who is Dorie’s friend. I have made it dozens of times since I first got the recipe http://www.nickmalgieri.com/recipes/coco_rasp_cake.html
I have made it with every kind of cake flour and it has always risen. Perfect quite literally every time. I make this cake over and over because it is so easy and is fool proof.
I am stumped by the issues some are reporting.
I make it with raspberry and lemon curd.
Andrea
I would never have guessed you had trouble making the cake…it looks stunning! Love the white chocolate and the raspberries!
Lydia (The Perfect Pantry)
Swans is the most easy-to-find cake flour in markets here in the US, which is probably why she used it in the original recipe. No matter — your cake looks beautiful!
cheryl
How could you be disappointed in that end result? Oh to be one of your co-workers, you would have been my favorite employee ever. Love the white chocolate on the cake.
michelle @ the smackdown
oy, join the club! my problems were mostly due to my own idiocy, but i also had to make this more than once.
of course, my co-workers also devoured it in a split second, so i guess i can *really* complain about the outcome. but as an experienced (i thought!) baker, i feel your pain!
Deborah
Even with your problems, your cake turned out beautifully!
Candace
I was awfully disappointed in the cake myself… and I have quite a bit of baking experience too! I baked it twice and had the same result.
Yours looks lovely though… looks like you won in the end!
Lisa
Simply stunning, my love!! You could make a mud pie look elegant and gorgeous.
Hey! Speaking of this gorgeous cake.. since the recipe was given to Dorie by Nick Malgieri.. I can’t help but to wonder.. are we famous in the Post yet??? hahahahahahaaaaaa!
xoxoxoxox
johanna
challenging or not, it looks amazing! well done!
baking soda
I’m so happy you tried this so many times (can imagine you not being happy…okaaaay..hehe) I did mine using cake flour and whole milk, beat it in spinning cycle, to no avail. I’m with Kellypea; what was to be expected from this cake, what’s “normal”. (and to be totally honest, isnt it strange that this cake supposedly comes out like it should with only that brand cakeflour?
Oh well, your cake looks absolutely fab, love the shaving on top, again a DB success!
Jenny
That is odd – I used Robin Hood Cake and Pastry flour both times I made the cake and had no problems at all with the layers.
Your cake looks beautiful, even if you weren’t thrilled with the results.
Jen
My cakes were not very high either. You did a great job and it looks beautiful.
Hillary
You SURE know how to make one beautiful cake! Great job and happy party!
Kevin
Your cake looks amazing! I like the white chocolate shavings. My cake did not rise either. I thought I had done something wrong and I tried it a second time and got the same results. Since I then had 4 layers I stopped and used them. The cake was really good even if it did not rise.
Dana McCauley
I think that to keep this nice tight crumb and avoid doming that this recipe has to be a ‘low riser’. Despite the fact that my cakes didn’t rise like crazy, the texture and taste of the cake was successful.
would others who had low rise cakes agree? Or was the lack of height also linked to a lack of texture and lightness?
Madeleine
Ivonne, your cake it’s adorable!!!!
good idea the white chocolate!!!
myriam
oh my goad! amazing. loving it!
Erika
My favorite part about my first Daring Bakers challenge is reading everyone’s results. I thought I was cracking up when my cakes would not rise and at the amount of buttercream! I do love your white chocolate garnish, it is beautiful!
kitten
what an ordeal you had ! go get yourself some Swans cake flour for the next time you try this one. your cake looks delicious, i love the shaved white chocolate…mmmmm…mmmm
Astra Libris
Your cake is absolutely gorgeous! Minimal rising or no, it’s one of the most beautiful creations I’ve seen in a long time… No wonder I was so eager to gaze at the photos of your cake!
peabody
I am just amazed by the no rise thing. I had if anything too much rise. I find it all so very weird.
It looks gorgeous too.
Jessica
Ivonne, you have done it again. You cake looks gorgeous. Those raqspberries look divine too! Are they expensive in CAnada, cos in Australia they are astronomical- but i love them
kk
wow! what a trooper you are, i can’t believe you attempted it so many times. my cake didn’t rise as well…i thought it was because i substituted the cocoa powder?! anyway, your cake is still absolutely beautiful!! great job!! -kk
Cakelaw
Ivonne, your cake looks gorgeous – it looks quite high once sandwiched together with all of that filling, and the decoration is exquisite.
Hannah
Talk about persistence! I’m so glad that you didn’t throw in the towel, because you cake ultimately worked out so perfectly!
renee
Your cake looks fabulous! It’s so elegant! This was my first DB challenge. I didn’t get much rise either – it almost felt like we needed more batter.
It was still yummy.
Dolores
I remember both of my grandmother’s swearing that Swan’s Down cake flour was a baker’s best friend (one of less than a dozen things about which they were in violent agreement). If I can find it, that’s what I’m going to use for my birthday cake version of this challenge.
Flat cakes or no, you did your usual fantastic job with this one Ivonne. I love the raspberries and the white chocolate shavings. I’ll volunteer for your next project at work if you’ll promise to bake for me.
VeggieGirl
Ivonne, you are the most dedicated baker I “know” – kudos for making the cake 3 TIMES (whoa!!); I would have quit after one, if I wasn’t happy with it; and then I would have cried, haha :0D
VeggieGirl
P.S. – since you’re going to NYC in May, you might want to check out my current blog posts :0)
Karen
I love your idea of adding white chocolate, wish I had thought of that. Strange about the rising cakes…can’t imagine trying this so many times! In the end it was worth it as evidence by your beautiful cake!
Lynn
Oh, how frustrating to make it three times. Your last one does look lovely. I especially like the white chocolate curls on top. You are truly a daring baker to perservere!
JennyBakes
The baking detective (moi) has discerned that the one combination you did not try was all-purpose flour + buttermilk. That was my magical combination.
So… what did you do with all the yolks?!?
Mama Cream Puff
Baby Cream Puff…..Your cake looks beautiful and delicious. I did not get a piece of this cake since others were lined up for it…..but….you did leave me with the cakes that did not rise!!! I shared them with our neighbors and they said there was NOTHING wrong with them. I accidentaly spilled some espresso on one of my pieces and it tasted soooo good. I was tempted to “accidentaly” spill some congnac on it……
Iisha
What can I say, but what I always say…. FANTASTIC job! You truly ROCK!
Claire
I got so lucky with this one – happened to puck up some cake flour, and ended up with a nice rise. Go figure. But I would never have known you suffered such difficulty looking at the final product – it’s absolutely gorgeous. Your coworkers are awfully lucky
Tina
Absolutely Gorgeous cake!! A little trouble, but dang one heck of an out come, its amazing!!
Big Boys Oven
Such an amazing and perfect cake for a perfect day!
Danielle
You got gumption, girl! Three times. I am impressed. I love the end result, too. Beautiful.
Stacy
Lovely cake! It turned out so beautifully.
And if it makes you feel better — I just baked another Dorie cake today. My cake flour was Swan’s Down.
I baked three times too. The first time, my cakes were totally flat. I realized my baking powder was old so went and bought new, and broke into my new box of cake flour. Try two, I dropped an eggshell into the mix. Bah. Try three, it all LOOKED nice.
Still no go.
Oh well. I am going to use three layers and eat the fourth for something else, so I can get some height in my cake.
Ana
Your cake looks GORGEOUS!!!
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And talk about perseverance… 3 attempts on the cake, you are a very patient woman!
I am glad it tasted delicious as the cake is beautiful!
It is my birthday at the end of the month and now I am very tempted to make this cake, it is very, very pretty to look at and I can only imagine how yummy it must taste!
Your blog is great by the way, nice, nice job with your photos!
Ana
BC
I didn’t have problems … (or maybe I’m just blissfully ignorant with low standards). I always sift my flour to incorprate more air and it seems to help.
Sera
I discovered your lovely website by accident – happy day! Your cake looks so beautiful! There is nothing worse than putting in the time & effort (not to mention ingredients) for a homemade cake, only to have it be less than perfect (i.e. flat); kudos for turning things around! I did a similar thing for a baby shower cake at work years ago – made a genoise that barely rose. Grrr. I had blithely offered to make the cake for our party (stupid girl!), and it was too late too back out. So I too cut it into thin layers and gussied it up with homemade pastry cream & sliced berries. Bakers are stubborn and persistent but we sure are sweet! I wanted to mention something re: substituting all-purpose flour – I have always read that the correct substitution is 1 cup minus 2 Tablespoons (not teaspoons, as you mention above) of all-purpose flour to equal 1 cup cake-and-pastry flour. Wonder if that makes a difference?
christe
This looks and sounds amazing! I am going to make it for my co-workers 40th bday next week…it looks that good!
Knittingfreak
wow that looks really good. I makes me wish i weren’t on a diet.
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